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Flea beetle help! #848518

Asked September 04, 2023, 11:40 AM EDT

Hello. We have a tiger eye sumac in our backyard that we have had for years. Last week I noticed a lot of defoliation. Upon further investigation, I noticed beetles and larva that I think look like a flea beetle of some kind, possibly the sumac flea beetle. I have Neem oil that I have been using every day on the shrub, but I am looking for some advice. I don’t want the shrub to die, so I’m interested in anything that we can do before winter. Thank you for your help!

Hennepin County Minnesota

Expert Response

Hi Erin,

Is it possible to send some close up pictures of the beetle, larva and defoliation?

An Ask Extension Expert Replied September 05, 2023, 10:53 AM EDT
Yup! Took a few and attached.
Thank you!
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On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 9:53 AM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied September 05, 2023, 2:43 PM EDT

Thank you for sending pictures.  I need a bit more help...

I see the beetle, black "sac" type things and some caterpillars.  

Here is information about the sumac flea beetle https://extension.usu.edu/pests/ipm/ornamental-pest-guide/arthopods/leaf-beetles-weevils/sumac-flea-beetle.    Did I miss larva that looks similar to the ones in the picture?

I am wondering if the "caterpillars" are eating the leaves?  Removing the caterpillars by hand will obviously prevent them from eating more leaves.

I want to send your pictures to an insect specialist to confirm identification.  Once we have that information we can figure out a plan for insect control.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied September 05, 2023, 4:30 PM EDT

I inadvertently closed the question.  I need to reply this way to keep it open.

Sorry!

An Ask Extension Expert Replied September 05, 2023, 4:32 PM EDT
I think that the larva look like the ones in the pictures that you sent to me. I sent you one picture that had a couple in it and then another that seems like it’s a larva with poop on itself. When I was reading about the beetle, it sounded like the larva do that.
Let me know if you need more pictures and I can try to get a couple of more.
Again, thanks for your help!

On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 3:30 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied September 05, 2023, 5:17 PM EDT

Here is the email I received from a Master Gardener extraordinaire after he confirmed that flea beetles are what is eating your plant:

The real question is whether in fact any pesticide should be used?

1). The damage done by the larvae is largely cosmetic. It would not be expected that the sumac is endangered and/or its survival threatened.

2). The window of opportunity for using a larval pesticide is right after the larvae hatch from the eggs. Given the rather large size of the larvae in the picture and the presence of adult beetles would suggest that this window has largely passed.

3). Most pesticides effective against sumac flea beetle larvae may also have a detrimental effect against the larvae/caterpillars of desirable insect pollinators.

Nevertheless, see the following:

https://extension.usu.edu/pests/ipm/ornamental-pest-guide/arthopods/leaf-beetles-weevils/sumac-flea-beetle - :~:text=Pesticides are not typically needed,hatch to control young larvae.

https://www.grit.com/farm-and-garden/pests/battling-the-evil-flea-beetle/https://www.grit.com/farm-and-garden/pests/battling-the-evil-flea-beetle/

https://www.maine.gov/dacf/php/gotpests/bugs/factsheets/flea-beetles-col.pdf

I hope this helps.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied September 06, 2023, 4:59 PM EDT
All that makes sense. I don’t like pesticides and we have 3 dogs so I won’t be using them.
So it sounds like I should just let it go for the remainder of this year.
I wonder if you could offer advice on next year? Like is there something that I should do to try to have this not happen next year? Or is it thought that maybe it’s just a one year thing?
Again, thank you so much for your help!

On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 3:59 PM Ask Extension <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
The Question Asker Replied September 06, 2023, 5:49 PM EDT

I think you are right to think that you should just let plant go for this year, but there are some things you can do in the fall to "battle the enemy".   This article has several suggestions: https://www.grit.com/farm-and-garden/pests/battling-the-evil-flea-beetle/.

Keep the life cycle in mind.  If you are able to pick off the larva you will disrupt the life cycle!

Here is another article that may be helpful:https://getbusygardening.com/controlling-flea-beetles/#:~:text=Diatomaceous%20earth%20(DE)%20is%20another,of%20glass%20to%20kill%20them

Good luck.  LEt me know if you have any more questions.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied September 07, 2023, 11:00 AM EDT

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