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Why do sap suckers bore in winter #780934

Asked January 28, 2022, 12:42 PM EST

Why does the sap sucker bore in winter when no sap is flowing? Normally I would leave them to their business but they are seriously going after two valuable usual trees.

Sibley County Minnesota

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Your website does not appear to be working. It is not allowing me to edit the body of my question. The last sentence is supposed to say they are going after two unusual trees. Original says usual trees.
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Why does the sap sucker bore in winter when no sap is flowing? Normally I would leave them to their business but they are seriously going after two valuable usual trees.

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The Question Asker Replied January 28, 2022, 12:52 PM EST
Hello, happy to help.

Yellow-bellied sapsuckers need to feed year round and when they make those holes in trees, it's to return later to slurp up the sap that runs out of the holes.  You pointed out that they have been doing this to unusual trees but they must have figured out that they like the sap that comes out of them.  Here is more information about yellow-bellied sapsuckers.

I hope this helps.
eGardener Replied January 29, 2022, 11:30 AM EST
Thank you so much for the answer. The link would not work so I’m replying here.

So are you saying the sap flows year round? That would be new to me.

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The Question Asker Replied January 29, 2022, 1:25 PM EST

Good question.  I'm not really a birder but I know trees and with the roots frozen in the ground, that would make it not conducive to fluid dynamics.  So I'll have to do a bit of research.  Do you know the species of trees on which you're seeing the holes? 

Also are you sure the holes are in the ordered pattern made by sapsuckers because if the holes are random, or are constantly getting bigger, it may be a woodpecker. 

eGardener Replied January 29, 2022, 1:54 PM EST
Disregard this email. This was intended for our MG listserv.

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On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 1:02 PM Gardensprite <<personal data hidden>> wrote:
Folks,

I just got a question about sapsuckers making new holes in trees (unidentified) this winter.  I gave a pat answer and the inquirer came back with the question, does sap run in winter.  Great question!!!!

I've asked them for the species of trees but I'm sure that if the roots are frozen right now, that would not be conducive to fluid dynamics at this time.  I also asked them if they're sure the holes look like sapsucker holes (if not it may be a woodpecker), and if they really happened this winter as opposed to possibly last fall.  Anyone have any ideas about sap running and physics? 

Thanks!


Ellen Campbell
Henn Cty MG & MNTCA

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eGardener Replied January 29, 2022, 2:21 PM EST
Folks,

I just got a question about sapsuckers making new holes in trees (unidentified) this winter.  I gave a pat answer and the inquirer came back with the question, does sap run in winter.  Great question!!!!

I've asked them for the species of trees but I'm sure that if the roots are frozen right now, that would not be conducive to fluid dynamics at this time.  I also asked them if they're sure the holes look like sapsucker holes (if not it may be a woodpecker), and if they really happened this winter as opposed to possibly last fall.  Anyone have any ideas about sap running and physics? 

Thanks!


Ellen Campbell
Henn Cty MG & MNTCA

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eGardener Replied January 29, 2022, 2:21 PM EST
Hello Ellen thank you for this information! 

Here’s some pictures to explain the situation. I have seen the sapsuckers doing this but upon closer look I don’t see rows of holes. It almost appears they’re going after the wood itself. 

It looks like they’re going after live wood on these heirloom apples we absolutely do not want damaged anymore ( you can see the hardware cloth that they just went around this year) and the other is a beleaguered Fort McNair horse chestnut hybrid with some deadwood that they appear to be concentrating on.

The picture of the second heirloom apple also has Pineneedles in the picture because of the Pine Tree behind it but it is the second apple tree.

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The Question Asker Replied January 30, 2022, 5:17 PM EST

Hello Kally,

Sorry for the delay, after consulting with fellow master gardeners here is what I drafted yesterday (platform issues delayed further.)

Here's what we know from our searches. Generally, sapsuckers move to warmer more southern locations for the winter which can be as near as Kansas and as far as Mexico. But it's possible that some stay in Minnesota.

I was made aware of an older research paper that contained observational data about sapsucker feeding. In addition to sap, they were observed to feed on the phloem and cambium of trees. The guess is that at times when there is less sap harvesting, the deeper parts of the wound would afford some sustenance. Maybe what you have is sapsucker damage but the problem is that the research paper didn't have photographs of the cambium feeding damage done by sapsuckers so I don't really know if it looks like the damage in your photographs. The researchers actually spent hundreds of hours watching sapsucker activity and identified sap feeding when they saw wet beaks and wood feeding with they saw pieces hanging from beaks.

It could be incidental that there are sapsucker holes in some of the damaged areas that appear as stripped bark. Usually, I think of squirrels when there is stripped bark. Squirrels are known to use bark for nesting, getting at the sap and cambium of trees for food, and sometimes just to sharpen their teeth. It's been observed that a single squirrel will develop a taste for one particular tree to bite off small twigs and pull off bark. You would see a lot of the evidence on the ground around the tree in that case. But one of the master gardeners I consulted isn't sure the damage is typical of squirrel damage; i.e., lack of teeth marks.

Because some drilling has been done in dead wood, I and my colleague believe that may be the work of woodpeckers.

You are right to be concerned about this damage and I think it may require vigilance to see who or what is causing this damage. Here is some information about animal damage control that may be of help should you catch a squirrel in the act. This article also identifies other potential culprits such as rabbits, voles, and deer. Other than the previous link on sapsuckers that I sent in an earlier message, I don't know how you can prevent them from damaging your apple trees if you should actually catch them in the act.  Perhaps you could check with bird groups.

In the case of deer, they rub their antlers on tree bark and the damage is much larger in area. In one three day period, one deer girdled my young crab apple despite my constant replacement of the plastic tree guard to protect the bark. I guess he used his antler to hook it and yank it off. The tree died.

Here is a link to an observer of one rather late leaving sapsucker and how s/he tried to get sustenance and warmth on a cold December day.

I hope this helps.

eGardener Replied February 03, 2022, 9:16 AM EST
Thank you Ellen
This is also very fascinating. I signed up for that blog that you had linked and learned that giraffes know how to avoid tree inter-communication!(  For example, Giraffes that munch on the leaves of one acacia tree will stimulate the production of distasteful tannins not only in the other leaves of that tree, but in its acacia neighbors as well.  In fact giraffes have learned to forage on the acacias that are downwind in a clump of trees to avoid this kind of response to the volatile chemicals released by the injured tree.)


Yes we see the sap suckers on the suet but I guess as this article states it’s a lifesaver for them.
We have actually seen the sap suckers on these trees doing this so we know it’s them but  I could not figure out what & why they’re doing. One tree they’re going after the live wood and the other the dead wood. So interesting. 

I will make sure we don’t run out of suet. I was almost at the point of not putting out suet to not attract them to save these trees but maybe it’s very important for those that stay. I think they are eating the majority of it.This is a rural agriculture area with some forested area near a river valley. 

Thank you for all your work. 

Kally


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The Question Asker Replied February 03, 2022, 10:21 AM EST

Kally,

That's really interesting about the giraffes.  I suspect there are more trees and plants that do the same thing. 

I like your approach, feeding the sapsuckers to keep them off your trees.  I don't know what will happen in the spring when tree sap is more available - if they'll resume feeding in the way they've always fed or stick with the suet.  Maybe contacting a birding organization would help.

Good-luck!


eGardener Replied February 03, 2022, 11:00 AM EST

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