Hi! I'm in South Minneapolis. My black raspberries are intermixed with red raspberries. Last fall we cut all the black raspberry stems to the ground (not ready to learn to take care of them). The red raspberries were left in a few spots. This year we let the vegetation go nuts (some fruit bearing, mostly not), and this time I'm trying to figure out what to do with them this fall. All of the things I'm reading say I should cut the fruit being ones to the ground (but I've lost track of which were which, as it's a tangled mess of many dozens of 8' and longer canes). What should I do with these long tangled black raspberry canes? Do I need to leave them and wait to trim in the spring? Can I trim them this fall to be a couple feet tall and thin them out? (I was thinking of trying to make a basket with the canes, but I want black raspberries next year ... So, I'll sacrifice the basket idea if need be.) Thank you for your help!