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Tiny black vegetable-eating bugs #659197

Asked July 02, 2020, 6:43 PM EDT

Hi, Last year and this year I've noticed these tiny pin size black bugs on my leafy greens. They are very aggressive at eating the leaves. I only find them on more tender leafy vegetables. Can you tell me what these bugs are and how to prevent them? I've attached a picture. Would they happen to be spider mites? I don't notice any webbing around the plants. I tried spraying some neem oil on the leaves, but they still come back.

Deschutes County Oregon

Expert Response

Hi,  Are you able to send a closeup of the insect, I cannot see it well enough to make an ID.  It is not mites, too big, possibly aphids.  The insect on the underside of the leaf is not what is causing the damage on the leaf.  The mouth parts would not match up.  Take a photo from above of the leaf damage as well.  That type of damage is either from an insect with a large chewing mouth part or wildlife damage. Can help further with additional photos. 
Hi Amy,
Thanks for getting back to me.  I zoomed in on the bugs in that picture, so hopefully you can see them better and identify them. These are tiny round black bugs, which don't look like the aphids I've seen around my garden unless they are a different type.  When you move the leaf they are on, they seem to jump off onto the ground.  The aphids I've dealt with don't seem to fall off the leaf that easily.  You are right about something else eating the leaves.  I read somewhere recently that the triangular marks on the leaves indicate bird beaks.  So I think birds are eating a large majority of the leaves, but these bugs are definitely eating parts of it, especially the younger shoots. I've attached a picture of another plant that has damage that I think is from this bug.  The chewed edges look straighter.  Hopefully this information helps. Thank you!
The Question Asker Replied July 07, 2020, 5:47 PM EDT
Hi,  In the photo on the right, the notched leaves is indicative of root weevil damage, they feed at night.  Photo on the left, photo just not clear enough but still believe them to be aphids from this photo. Are you able to knock them off onto a white piece of paper and then take photo from the top and send?  Thanks,
Hi Amy,
I tried getting pictures of them on a white piece of paper and they are not any better than the one I already sent. My camera is just not able to get a closer shot while keeping the bug in focus.  You are probably right about them being aphids.  I just didn't expect them to be so small.  Can aphid babies be tiny like this?  What kind of leaf damage would indicate aphids?  I do notice some small round holes in the leaves.  But it sounds like the aphids are not causing as much damage as I first thought.  It may be the root weevil and birds causing most of the damage.
The Question Asker Replied July 09, 2020, 3:36 PM EDT
Aphids can be small and come in all colors, shapes and sizes. They are host specific, what are the plants in the photo specifically?  I can send you specific management once I know the host plants.  Thanks  
The plants are a couple of different Asian vegetables.  One is a bok choy and the other is a type of flowering brassica.  Thanks again for your help!
The Question Asker Replied July 09, 2020, 11:14 PM EDT
Thank you so much for the references!  I didn't realize the type of aphids depends on the host plant.  The handbook will be a great resource for future issues I come across.
The Question Asker Replied July 10, 2020, 6:13 PM EDT

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