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Firs with poor color and brown needles #280293

Asked September 23, 2015, 10:30 PM EDT

I planted a quantity of 5 Firs the end of June. within 2 weeks they began to show distress with needles that started turning brown from the bottom of the tree up. As I was not familiar with trees nor the situation, i took pictures to my local nursery. i was advised that they were probably spider mites and to treat them with fertilome triple action. i was told to spray the tree with a once a week application. at the point it did not seem to be helping, i was told to spray 2 times a week. i finally removed 3 of the 5. one died entirely, the other 2 still have green to them but have lost the bright green and one has lost most of its needles with drooping tips on the branches. once the 3 were removed, i checked the remaining 2 and they seemed to be doing fine. 2 weeks later i get notice that one of the remaining 2 trees has started to loose its bright green and the new growth tips are starting to turn brown. i returned to my local nursery and was told that what i used was short term that would need constant reapplication. i was then advised to use fertilome systemic insecticide as it was a slower release and would be better for my problem. i was also told to apply when the tree was dry so it would absorb better. i did this. i have included pictures of what i am dealing with, is there any way you can tell me if i am now doing the right thing? and if there is any way to get the greeness back? i was going to fertilize, with 19-8-10 but everything i am reading says not to fertilize now as it will promote new growth that may freeze and be even more harmful. the one product mentioned that would be ok for now would be a slow release fertilizer...osmocote? any help would be greatly appreciated. i was hired to do some landscaping and it seems everything i touched has died. i have done alot in my own yard, with minimal problems, and i have been plagued with issues ever since i was hired. i am desparate for help.

St. Joseph County Indiana

Expert Response

Thank you for sending your pictures to eXtension.

Considering how quickly the plants began to decline after planting, I'm leaning toward transplant shock, or some other post-planting stress. Unless the entire garden center was turning brown like this, I would not expect mites to be able to find your five plants so quickly, and in such numbers as to cause this.

This publication, although somewhat dated, contains some general information on transplant shock: https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/BP/BP-31.html

I am assuming, of course, that you removed the containers from around the root ball before planting (please don't laugh, I actually found that once during a landscape visit!).  When the container comes off is a great time to examine the roots.  Healthy roots should be a creamy white color; you should be able to see small roots and root hairs.  Unhealthy roots will be brown or black, slimy, and there will be few small roots visible.  Sometimes, end-of-the-season bargains are sold cheaply because the roots have started dying back, due to heat, over-watering, or under-watering.

Although we had a very wet spring, for most of the state, the rains pretty much dried up in June.  Newly transplanted stock should be watered once or twice a week, being given 1/2 gallon of water per square foot of bed or transplant hole.  Were you providing this much water?  I've seen many cases where people have actually drowned their plants by overwatering.  These are the folks who water every day, or turn on the hose and let it run for a spell under the plant.

Did you ever actually see any mites?  Did the garden center tell you how to look for them?  If they didn't, they were being negligent or lazy.  True professionals would not sell you a chemical without at least checking to see if a pest is there first.

To check for mites: get a sheet of white paper, and hold it underneath one of the sick branches (not a dead branch...there won't be any mites left on a dead branch).  Give the branch a couple of smacks with your hand or a rolled up newspaper.  If there are mites, they will drop to the sheet of paper.  After a moment, they'll begin to slowly crawl around the sheet.  A magnifying glass will show you the small bodies with 8 legs.  Dirt and debris may also fall, but it won't have legs.

It is my opinion, based on the pictures and your description, that these plants died soon after being planted, or they were dying before you even got home with them.  I would check with your garden center to see what their return policy is.  If they refuse to allow you to return the plants, you might want to shop at a different garden center in the future.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied September 24, 2015, 2:37 PM EDT
Thank you for your quick response.  I went to check on the tree  - in less than a week later it is looking like it is on its way out.  As I was never told to do the mite test, and only found out about it while searching for answers, i did that today.

i am concerned in doing what i have to in order to keep the last tree, but is showing the  beginning signs of this problem. I have included a picture of this as well.  As of Aug 28th the two trees were looking good.  Then on the 16th of Sept I received notice of issues, by today the 24th the tree is looking as if in total distress.

My mite test came up with two differernt spiders of visable size.  I have included pictures of each,  would either of these be the issues?  i did not find a lot, but did find the two different kinds, plus a grasshopper.  I have come across spiderwebs in the branches in the past trees, but never more than 1 here and there.  

any help in keeping the last tree would be very much appreciated. 


The Question Asker Replied September 24, 2015, 11:47 PM EDT

Spider mites are very tiny.  Slightly larger than a period at the end of this sentence.  That's why we test them on a sheet of white paper: to make them stand out.  Those are regular garden spiders in your picture, and they are eating other flying insects.  They are good guys, so you can leave them alone.

Again, I think we are dealing with a failure to survive the transplanting, as discussed above.

An Ask Extension Expert Replied September 28, 2015, 9:54 AM EDT

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